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FollowTheGourd: Found where "tier numbers" come from...

2010-02-15T20:58:14Z

Found where "tier numbers" come from...

FollowTheGourd: last edit for now

2010-02-15T16:40:10Z

last edit for now

FollowTheGourd: /* Item Tiers and Rewards */

2010-02-15T16:39:29Z

‎Item Tiers and Rewards

FollowTheGourd: /* Item Tiers and Rewards */

2010-02-15T16:34:01Z

‎Item Tiers and Rewards

FollowTheGourd: Added TOC

2010-02-15T16:32:42Z

Added TOC

FollowTheGourd: material progression and tiers

2010-02-15T16:31:50Z

material progression and tiers

Sunjammer: Created page with 'The '''Plot Items''' and '''Indestructible Items''' sections appear to be talking about essentially the same thing. Moreover in the toolset items only have a '''Plot Item''' pro...'

2009-09-27T11:59:28Z

Created page with 'The '''Plot Items''' and '''Indestructible Items''' sections appear to be talking about essentially the same thing. Moreover in the toolset items only have a '''Plot Item''' pro...'

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The '''Plot Items''' and '''Indestructible Items''' sections appear to be talking about essentially the same thing. Moreover in the toolset items only have a '''Plot Item''' property (unless I'm missing something) and where possible the terminology should be consistent. Unfortunately there also appears to be some overlap between the [[IsPlot]], [[IsItemIndestructible]] and [[IsItemIrremovable]] functions. - [[User:Sunjammer|Sunjammer]] 11:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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 == Item Tiers and Rewards ==
-Maybe you can piece this together from the 2DA sections, but I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be. I'm still not 100% sure how the game assigns a tier to an item, either.
+Maybe you can piece this together from the 2DA sections, but I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be. <s>I'm still not 100% sure how the game assigns a tier to an item, either.</s> Apparently the "tier" is just part of the name in the TLK under '''LongNameStrRef''' in materialtypes.xls:materialrules. E.g., "Iron (Tier 1)".
 From what I can tell so far, TS_System.xls:TS_Material determines how items are scaled in ''sys_rewards_h.nss'' and ''sys_treasure_h.nss''. If the item isn't flagged as unique, then we calculate the column to use in the TS_Material GDA by ((nLevel - 1) / 3) + 1, where nLevel is the hero's level clamped between 1 and 45, inclusive. Also in sys_rewards_h.nss, it seems like you *might* inflate the hero's level by 3 as long as the current areas doesn't have this "INJURY_FLAG" set. It doesn't seem to get set anywhere in script though.

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 From what I can tell so far, TS_System.xls:TS_Material determines how items are scaled in ''sys_rewards_h.nss'' and ''sys_treasure_h.nss''. If the item isn't flagged as unique, then we calculate the column to use in the TS_Material GDA by ((nLevel - 1) / 3) + 1, where nLevel is the hero's level clamped between 1 and 45, inclusive. Also in sys_rewards_h.nss, it seems like you *might* inflate the hero's level by 3 as long as the current areas doesn't have this "INJURY_FLAG" set. It doesn't seem to get set anywhere in script though.
-E.g., take gen_im_wep_gsw_gsw (Greatsword). It has a material progression of "Weapon, All Metal" - ID 43 in TS_System.xls:TS_Material. The material column to use when scaling the item depends on the hero's level. Say the hero is level 15, then ((15 - 1) / 3) + 1 = 5 and so the Material5 column is used [need to confirm].
+E.g., take gen_im_wep_gsw_gsw (Greatsword). It has a material progression of "Weapon, All Metal" - ID 43 in TS_System.xls:TS_Material. The material column to use when scaling the item depends on the hero's level. Say the hero is level 15 (and we're not inflating the level like mentioned above), then ((15 - 1) / 3) + 1 = 5 and so the Material5 column is used [need to confirm].
 Row ID 43 by column Material5 has the value 44 in its cell. Looking that up in rules/materialtypes.xls:materialtypes, you can see it's referencing "Weapon, Red Steel", which in turn references material 5 from rules/materialtypes.xls:materialrules, which is "Red Steel".

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 Maybe you can piece this together from the 2DA sections, but I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be. I'm still not 100% sure how the game assigns a tier to an item, either.
-From what I can tell so far, TS_System.xls:TS_Material determines how items are scaled in ''sys_rewards_h.nss'' and ''sys_treasure_h.nss''. If the item isn't flagged as unique, then we calculate the column to use in the TS_Material GDA by ((nLevel - 1) / 3) + 1, where nLevel is the hero's level clamped between 1 and 45, inclusive.
+From what I can tell so far, TS_System.xls:TS_Material determines how items are scaled in ''sys_rewards_h.nss'' and ''sys_treasure_h.nss''. If the item isn't flagged as unique, then we calculate the column to use in the TS_Material GDA by ((nLevel - 1) / 3) + 1, where nLevel is the hero's level clamped between 1 and 45, inclusive. Also in sys_rewards_h.nss, it seems like you *might* inflate the hero's level by 3 as long as the current areas doesn't have this "INJURY_FLAG" set. It doesn't seem to get set anywhere in script though.
 E.g., take gen_im_wep_gsw_gsw (Greatsword). It has a material progression of "Weapon, All Metal" - ID 43 in TS_System.xls:TS_Material. The material column to use when scaling the item depends on the hero's level. Say the hero is level 15, then ((15 - 1) / 3) + 1 = 5 and so the Material5 column is used [need to confirm].

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 From what I can tell so far, TS_System.xls:TS_Material determines how items are scaled in ''sys_rewards_h.nss'' and ''sys_treasure_h.nss''. If the item isn't flagged as unique, then we calculate the column to use in the TS_Material GDA by ((nLevel - 1) / 3) + 1, where nLevel is the hero's level clamped between 1 and 45, inclusive.
-E.g., take gen_im_wep_gsw_gsw (Greatsword). It has a material progression of "Weapon, All Metal". ID 43 in TS_System.xls:TS_Material. The material column to use when scaling the item depends on the hero's level. Say the hero is level 15, then ((15 - 1) / 3) + 1 = 5 and so the Material5 column is used [need to confirm].
+E.g., take gen_im_wep_gsw_gsw (Greatsword). It has a material progression of "Weapon, All Metal" - ID 43 in TS_System.xls:TS_Material. The material column to use when scaling the item depends on the hero's level. Say the hero is level 15, then ((15 - 1) / 3) + 1 = 5 and so the Material5 column is used [need to confirm].
 Row ID 43 by column Material5 has the value 44 in its cell. Looking that up in rules/materialtypes.xls:materialtypes, you can see it's referencing "Weapon, Red Steel", which in turn references material 5 from rules/materialtypes.xls:materialrules, which is "Red Steel".

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	== Item Tiers and Rewards ==		== Item Tiers and Rewards ==
	Maybe you can piece this together from the 2DA sections, but I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be. I'm still not 100% sure how the game assigns a tier to an item, either.		Maybe you can piece this together from the 2DA sections, but I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be. I'm still not 100% sure how the game assigns a tier to an item, either.

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		+	== Item Tiers and Rewards ==
		+	Maybe you can piece this together from the 2DA sections, but I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be. I'm still not 100% sure how the game assigns a tier to an item, either.
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		+	From what I can tell so far, TS_System.xls:TS_Material determines how items are scaled in ''sys_rewards_h.nss'' and ''sys_treasure_h.nss''. If the item isn't flagged as unique, then we calculate the column to use in the TS_Material GDA by ((nLevel - 1) / 3) + 1, where nLevel is the hero's level clamped between 1 and 45, inclusive.
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		+	E.g., take gen_im_wep_gsw_gsw (Greatsword). It has a material progression of "Weapon, All Metal". ID 43 in TS_System.xls:TS_Material. The material column to use when scaling the item depends on the hero's level. Say the hero is level 15, then ((15 - 1) / 3) + 1 = 5 and so the Material5 column is used [need to confirm].
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		+	Row ID 43 by column Material5 has the value 44 in its cell. Looking that up in rules/materialtypes.xls:materialtypes, you can see it's referencing "Weapon, Red Steel", which in turn references material 5 from rules/materialtypes.xls:materialrules, which is "Red Steel".
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		+	--[[User:FollowTheGourd\|FollowTheGourd]] 16:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Plot and Indestructable Items ==
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	The '''Plot Items''' and '''Indestructible Items''' sections appear to be talking about essentially the same thing. Moreover in the toolset items only have a '''Plot Item''' property (unless I'm missing something) and where possible the terminology should be consistent. Unfortunately there also appears to be some overlap between the [[IsPlot]], [[IsItemIndestructible]] and [[IsItemIrremovable]] functions. - [[User:Sunjammer\|Sunjammer]] 11:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)		The '''Plot Items''' and '''Indestructible Items''' sections appear to be talking about essentially the same thing. Moreover in the toolset items only have a '''Plot Item''' property (unless I'm missing something) and where possible the terminology should be consistent. Unfortunately there also appears to be some overlap between the [[IsPlot]], [[IsItemIndestructible]] and [[IsItemIrremovable]] functions. - [[User:Sunjammer\|Sunjammer]] 11:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)